If it’s Thursday, it must be Amsterdam, which means Samantha Fish’s tour of Britain and Europe is entering its last week. Having reviewed three earlier gigs on the tour, I’ve decided to indulge myself with a quick trip to the Netherlands to catch another. And as an added bonus, I’ve managed to arrange a chat with Felix Bechtolsheimer, the front man of support band Curse Of Lono, who have received warm receptions for their blend of alt.country/Americana at each of the shows I’ve seen. And so here we are, settling in outside the café of tonight’s venue, Q-Factory, to shoot the breeze for a bit before the soundcheck.
Now, Felix Bechtolsheimer isn’t yer common-or-garden monicker. And if you Google him, as I did by way of some research before this chat, you’ll find that his biography isn’t common-or-garden either. You’re liable to trip over references to drink, drugs, minor royals, Paula Yates and, er, dressage horses. But if that kind of gossip is what floats your boat then you’d better drop anchor somewhere else, because we’re here to talk about the music - well, mostly. And it has to be said that Bechtolsheimer makes for a genial interviewee, ready to give considered answers, but often with a twinkle in his eye.
Raising the curtain
This isn’t the first support slot Curse Of Lono have occupied this year, having hit the road with Southside Johnny & The Asbury Jukes back in March. So what have they got out of these outings with headliners who are both stylistically different from the Southern-Gothic-out-of-London offered up by the Lonos?
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“I think we’re picking up fans in lots of different genres,” says Bechtolsheimer. “And we need to capitalise on that. We’ve been pigeonholed a little bit in this Americana genre, mainly through getting this award from Bob Harris at the beginning of the year, the Emerging Artist Award from the UK Americana Association.”
He recalls though that recently they’ve also done a lengthy stint opening for Chuck Prophet, who he suggests “is much more of a rock’n’roll sort of thing. I don’t think he’s Americana – although I think Exile On Main Street would be Americana if it came out now, probably. So we’re testing the water with different audiences. With Southside Johnny it was great to play Shepherds Bush Empire, it was great to play some of these bigger venues. We got a really, really good reaction out of his crowd, and a lot of people who saw us in March with Southside have come back to see us with Samantha now.
“And stagecraft on a bigger stage – we got some extra practice with that with Southside Johnny. It’s different to a festival thing, you have an engaged crowd –if you play a big festival at our level you probably play in the middle of the afternoon, when people are trying to come down off whatever drugs they were taking, trying to figure out what’s in their sandwich. They’re not that bothered about the music. Whereas with Southside we did get that.
“With Samantha Fish – it’s a very long tour. It’s 21 dates in 23 days. For her that’s nothing, they do over 200 shows a year. So I think with Samantha, to go and do this every night, with no real days off, gets you in a real groove, and gets you to the point where you’re very comfortable with your material, and you can just work on – how are you going to perform the song tonight? Is it going to be a bit louder, a bit quieter?
“It’s also a very quiet audience in many places,” he says, much to my surprise. “In Edinburgh and Glasgow that wasn’t the case, they went for it. But a lot of the gigs we’ve had, they stand there and they look at you, and they don’t really do much! And we’ve come off stage at a few of the shows going, ‘I’m not sure how that went’. And then we get mobbed at the merch table, and stuff flies out, and we get e-mails, and messages, and Facebook requests the next day, so we’ve obviously connected to some degree! And we need to pick up as many fans as we can now – we’ve got a headline tour in October, so we need to convert as many of these fans as we can, and drag them out again in October.”
From what I’ve seen though, at some of these shows they’ve had their own posse of fans who have come particularly to see them – which must be encouraging.
“Yeah, it is,” he laughs. “We just need them to multiply!”
Stripped back in the studio
Before then though, they’ve got a new album coming out in July, 4am And Counting - Live At Toe Rag Studios. I say new, but it’s actually a selection of songs from their first two albums, reworked in a more stripped back mode and recorded live. How come, I ask? From Felix’s description, it was a bit of an organic process.
“I saw a video of The Cordovas, who we toured with, recording at Toe Rag Studios, and they did it all live in an afternoon, did a couple of tracks. So I went down to see the place, and saw the set-up, and I just thought it would be interesting to see what we come up with if we spend 3 days in the studio, and give the songs a reworking.
“And then we thought it would be cool to get a few guests in, so BJ Cole came down for a day to play with us [adding pedal steel to 'I'd Start A War For You'], Nick Reynolds [from Alabama 3] was meant to come for half a day to play some harmonica, I think he was there for an hour and a half – turned up late and had to go early! And we just had a bit of a jam, and wanted to see what we could come out with. And I thought if we can get a video out of it, or an EP, I’ll be happy. We ended up doing fifteen tracks in 3 days.”
The thought naturally arose to create an album out of the material, but Bechtolsheimer was wary of negative press reaction to an album of re-recorded tracks.
“So we said right, Record Store Day only. Limited edition, translucent red vinyl, we’ll make very little money on it, but it’ll be fun.” But the positive response to the limited release suggested a genuine demand for a CD. “And then the few reviews that came out weren’t that damning about the fact that it wasn’t new material – we made it very clear that wasn’t what it was – so we decided to put it out properly.”
The album is released on July 12, and reviews are evidently lined up in a host of publications.
“I haven’t seen what the reviews are going to say yet,” he laughs. “They might say exactly what I feared! But so far it’s going alright.”
Given that these were re-recordings, I wondered how much thought had been given to the arrangements before they went into the studio. Bechtolsheimer indicates that although some thinking was done in advance, it wasn’t the usual pre-recording boot camp with their producer.
“Here we didn’t want anyone else in the room, it wasn’t about that. It was meant to feel loose and how we do it. So it was really nice for the band, just everyone tried some ideas out, we did it ourselves, and we put some thought in but there wasn’t any pressure on it, because it wasn’t meant to be ‘This is the big album,’ or whatever. It was just some fun. We just did two or three takes, and then said which was the best one, and that was it.”
Quiet desperation is the English way
It’s been a long and winding road for Bechtolsheimer to get to where he is now with Curse Of Lono. Although he’s London-based, he and his siblings were born in Frankfurt, into a very well off family, and came to Britain because their parents wanted them to go to English boarding schools. But by his late teens Bechtolshiemer had thrown himself headlong into the dark underbelly of the music world. Never mind the associated drink and drugs, music was “definitely not the plan,” he confirms. So what happened?
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“Well, I went to a boarding school and I absolutely fucking hated it,” he explains, and it’s clear he’s not kidding. “I went to state school in Germany, everyone in Germany goes to state school, and I was really happy there. And my parents worked very hard to come over here, and they put me in this school, and I found it incredibly elitist. And there was a bad timing issue – Germany had just won the World Cup, knocking England out in the semis, and for the first term at secondary school I had the living shit kicked out of me every day. So I started drinking, and I bought a guitar. I had a room-mate who was bullied very badly as well, and he bought a bass and I bought a guitar, and we told them all to bugger off.”
Okay, so this was the start of a downward spiral, but what was he listening to that turned him onto music?
“I remember there was a senior,” he recalls, “and he was quite an eccentric guy, and he saw that I was upset - I’d just been beaten up. And he took me to his room and he said, ‘Right, listen to this’. And he had a quart of vodka, so he gave me a shot of vodka, and he put on Never Mind The Bollocks. And we listened to it from start to finish, and then when it was done he put on The Final Cut by Pink Floyd. And he said, “It’s the other side of the same coin.” And it was the first time in my life that music wasn’t just about melody, and ‘ooh baby baby, you’re so pretty’, or ‘oh dear, you dumped me’. These people were actually saying stuff. And he used to come into my room with this nylon-strung guitar, and play ‘Pigs On The Wing’ by Pink Floyd, and stuff. And I thought, “That’s what I wanna do. That’s really cool!”
Down and out in London and Miami
You couldn’t find bands much more English than Pink Floyd and the Pistols, but it’s bleedin’ obvious that there are also American influences on the Curse Of Lono sound. So I start to explore whether Bechtolsheimer feels a particular affinity for America. Yes, he agrees, he does. There’s more than one dimension to this though, it emerges. For one thing, there was his sojourn in a Florida rehab clinic to kick his various addictions.
“I moved to America when I was . . . pretty sure I wouldn’t be alive for much longer. I went out there to clean off heroin – I was on heroin, methadone and crack at the time – and it was so bad that the rehabs in the UK wouldn’t even take me any more.
“So I went out there, and I got clean out there. And I shared a bungalow with a guy – they called them bungalows, but it was like a shed - who was a lot older than me, and he played the guitar. And he was telling me all these stories, how’d he played with Little Feat, and he’d played with Gram Parsons, and all these amazing people. And he introduced me to the real country stuff, the John Prine, the Kris Kristofferson, the Jerry Jeff Walker, all that stuff. And I fell in love with that form of – not the music so much – but the form of songwriting, the lyricism in it. And when that guy relapsed, and disappeared into the sunset, I realised he was far too young to have actually played with any of these people – it was all bullshit!” He laughs. “So I fell in love with it then, and when we toured in America with Hey Negrita it was like being in the movies, you know?”
The influence is more subliminal than that though, I suggest.
“It’s . . . “ he reflects for a moment. “I love slide guitars, and it’s a very cinematic genre, the Americana genre. It just lends itself very well to building the soundscapes to the words that I write.”
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Which brings us to the subject of books. Although a lot of Curse Of Lono’s lyrics explore very personal themes, but Bechtolsheimer is also a big reader – hell, Curse Of Lono are actually named after a book by Hunter S. Thompson. Currently on his reading list is a collection of Steve Earle’s short stories, and I mention having read Earle’s novel I’ll Never Get Out Of This World Alive, a great story about a bunch of losers, set in San Antonio in the early 60s. I bought it, I say, thinking it was Earle’s autobiography.
“So did I!” he says, bursting out laughing. “It’s almost like Steinbeck. It’s like a couple of his books I love, Cannery Row and Sweet Thursday. It’s that portrait of people who are really - not doing great, you know? They’re sort of skid row, but the goodness in them comes out. You’ve got this lovable heroin dealer, and these lovable pimps and stuff running around, and I just love that. And I wish I’d read that before we played with Steve Earle, before I met him. Because I just wish I’d had that extra appreciation – I love his music, but I’ve attempted to write a book, and it’s really hard.”
And again, it strikes me that we were talking about America earlier, and here’s Bechtolsheimer describing a particular penchant for American fiction.
“Yeah. I love Bukowski,” he says.
Given that Charles Bukowski (actually a German-American) was once dubbed “a laureate of American lowlife”, this scarcely surprises me. But I wonder whether the appeal of this strand of American writing is also that it’s got more – distance, imaginatively speaking?
“Well, your imagination’s got more room,” he says. “I made this film in 2008, called We Dreamed America, and it was about the British roots scene and my band Hey Negrita was in it. And there was something that Matt Ord our guitarist said – he said, ‘Look at The Band. They were Canadian. They had a really great dreamof what this Americana thing was.’ And he said sometimes someone who’s not American can have a better dream of it, because we’ve got more room in our imagination to picture that stuff, you know?
“So yeah, I suppose I am drawn to that. And it’s just the voices that they use – I love the lyrics of Tom Waits. And for me Bukowski is the literary version of Tom Waits – it’s gritty, and I like that.”
That “attempt to write a book” that Bechtolsheimer mentions came before the advent of Curse Of Lono. What was that about?
“That was a memoir. And I got shortlisted for the National Biography Awards for best unpublished biography. And they said now you’ve got to start talking to agents – and the book just wasn’tgood enough. That’s what I thought. And I’d rather never do another album, than put out some crap.
“But I needed to do it,” he goes on, “because . . . it defined me, until that point. I spent a couple of years on it, and I wasn’t hanging out, and occasionally doing a bit of writing. I was writing 7 or 8 hours a day. I was miserable doing it, I went through a horrible depression, my band was gone, I didn’t want it back but I didn’t know what I wanted. And it was re-living the worst parts of your life over and over again. But afterwards I was like, “Well that’s done, let’s start another band!” And I was ready to have a good time. But I needed to get it out. But it still comes in. When you’re trying to visit a dark place in a song, that’s my dark place.”
Let’s start another band!
Bechtolsheimer and drummer Neil Findlay were both in the aforementioned Hey Negrita. But how did Curse Of Lono as a whole come together?
“We finished with Hey Negrita – everyone drifted, but we were all still on really good terms so we decided to call it quits while we were still mates. And I had an album’s worth of stuff, and nowhere to put it. So I got very depressed - I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And then
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“And when we finished it was, like, ‘Well, now we need to do this live.’ So Neil was in straight away, and then I put some online ads out – it’s almost like dating! I’ve never done online dating, but it’s like that – “Hey man, I like the Stones.” “Yeah, me too. Can I hear your demo?” It’s that kind of thing.
“So, I got Charis [Anderson, on bass] in first, and Joe Hazell auditioned on piano originally, and he’s an amazing piano player. And that was great, but then I couldn’t find the right guitar player. So then Joe put the guitar on, and I was ‘Jesus Christ, he can play!’ And then, we looked for a keyboard player, and Dani [Ruiz Hernandez] came in, and straight after the first jam I went, ‘Right, you’re in.’ And he goes, ‘I’ve got one problem – I’ve got a job. I’m a journalist, and I can’t go on tour.’ And I said well let’s see, and then when the first tour came along he said, ‘I’m in!’ And it’s worked really well.”
One thing I’ve noticed from the band’s live shows is that they have a liking for ending songs on a solo from Joe Hazell, rather than coming back to the song for a chorus or a coda.
“Yeah, you mentioned that before in a review,” says Felix, “and to be honest I hadn’t even thought about it!”
I’ve counted at least three songs where he does a nice solo – and he is a good guitarist, with great tone - and then you’re done.
“Yeah,” he agrees, nodding and counting the tracks on his fingers, “There’s ‘And It Shows’, there’s ‘No Trouble’, ‘Send For The Whisky’ . . . ‘Pick Up The Pieces’ . . . .” He’s laughing now.
So what gives? Are they deliberately denying the audience a bit of easy gratification?
“Yeah - I don’t know!” he says. “Larry Love from Alabama 3 always said to me, ‘You’re doing it wrong, man. You need to get the chorus, and at the end you need to milk it – do it five times!’ And I was like, ‘Yeah, but I want ‘em to want to hear it again.’ But maybe he’s got a point.”
Noir and noodling
When we met I was in the middle of reading the autobiography by Mike Scott of The Waterboys, who half the time seemed to be grasping for some fresh soundscape in his head, then the other half puzzling over how to realise it. I wondered whether Bechtolsheimer had some kind of grand vision for the Curse Of Lono sound.
“Definitely. I do think about that stuff much more. I think the rest of the band . . . wait for me to make the first move. And then they’re very instrumental in things. Although to be honest the next album we’re working on we’ve agreed that we’re going to go about it the other way round. The band gets to do it first, and then the producer gets to come in. And I’ve already had demos from Joe of riff ideas and song ideas, on piano and on guitar, and some of them are really, really good.
“I want to create something new and interesting,” he goes on, “otherwise I don’t really see
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“I’m always grasping for a new sound, and new ideas,” he continues. “But a lot of that comes from playing around. I sit down – I always say, in our touring party of six, I’m probably the second worst guitarist!” Cue more chuckling. “Danny the keyboard player can play the guitar better than me. I only recently learnt the names of the strings – but I can write. I then need help to get the song from here,” he says, indicating a spot on the table in front of us, “to here,” pointing at another.
“But I get the sound and the ideas from noodling around on the guitar. Because the instrument is so – I don’t understand it properly, I have no mastery of it. So playing around with it, and the different sounds, for me is really exciting – I’m like a kid, ‘Ooh, that sounds really cool!’ And the band will go ‘What key are you in?’ And I go ‘I’ve no idea! You tell me – I don’t even know what that chord’s called!’” His animated manner underlines his enthusiastic naivety.
“But that’s how I write, you know? Put a capo here and see what happens. Yeah, sometimes I need someone to throw in a different chord or something, to polish it, but that’s how I get the initial sound. And it’s fun! I love nothing more than sitting down with my guitars, and just playing. I feel like my daughter when she’s playing with her toys – I’m just playing, I can’t control the thing!”
Time’s up. Bechtolsheimer needs to go and soundcheck. He’s an interesting character. Curse Of Lono are an intriguing band. If you’re intrigued, go forth and multiply, and go see ‘em in October.
The new Curse Of Lono album 4am And Counting - Live At Toe Rag Studios, is released on 12 July.
Details of their October tour dates can be found here.